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Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: Swiftkill
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/16/2019 at 19:54

Well, I was at the SHOT Show last year and was personally able to look at the full Vixen line, they were being distributed by Sun Optics.  The Vixen line IS made in Japan.  I purchased a 6-24 x 58 and it is PHENOMENAL.  Exacting box test.  Just the right amount of tension in the power ring and parallax knob, absolutely no detectable slop or backlash.  The lenses are super clear and bright.  There is virtually no glare that I can see even in harsh sunlight.    I have Swarovski EL binos and Zeiss BGAT binos, I have Zeiss Conquest scopes and Leupold LRT scopes and Burris Black Diamond scopes,  so I know what great to Best glass looks like.  And I shoot prairie dogs, glassing through binos and scopes for 8 hours a day in overcast and blindingly sunny days.  
The image is dead flat and clear across from edge to edge.  The image looks natural as looking with the naked eye.  I cannot see any hues that change the image brightness or add weird colors. 
This scope is easily comparable to a $2000 German scope.  Maybe more.   The designer knows that the big names are also made in the same plant in Japan.  I looked at Nightforce and S&B and US Optics... you couldn't convince me to spend 2-4 times as much money on them,....anymore. 

The only problem with the scope is that people badmouth something they have no experience with and unfortunately it influences others who take that advice and that multiplies.  

Ok, so maybe the name is not catchy or Cool sounding for us American snobs.  
What kind of name is FORD for a truck? (That should get me some death threats!)

So, sun optics was sold last year and they reportedly discontinued the Vixen line.  I'm going to try to talk to the manufacturer to see if I can help them keep it or reintroduce it to the American market.

competitor has the scopes discounted now as discontinued, but they still have a lifetime warranty, but I bet you won't need it.  

Mike C. 

Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/16/2019 at 20:34

can you confirm Sun will honor the warranty?

I own some of the best,  all the way down to “okay” and I am always skeptical when someone claims $2k scope quality at $300. And, having been in this now for more than a few years, I have yet to have to say “I was wrong” in that skepticism.

Good luck keeping them around. The thread is 8 years old. If they were a diamond in the rough, I’d think someone would have noticed.

I did like Vixen back in the 80s. “Edge of a Broken Heart” was a decent song for a few chicks, not sure what they know about optics though.

Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: supertool73
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/16/2019 at 20:59

i mean this with respect.  But if they were that awesome and were better than $2000 scopes for 1/4 of the cost they would still be around.  A few people bad mouthing them would not take down the company. Just my opinion of course. 

Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: Son of Ed
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/17/2019 at 12:59

Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

I can compare a TP tube to a S&B but that does not put them in the same league. The TP roll is so clear you can't tell you are looking through anything. The TP roll has absolutely no loss of light transmission from lenses.  Big Grin BLA BLA BLA.






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Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: Sparky
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/17/2019 at 19:46

Originally posted by Swiftkill Swiftkill wrote:



The designer knows that the big names are also made in the same plant in Japan.



Sorry but that doesn't mean they are the same. Different design specs.

Rifle Scopes : NEW SWFA SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight Rifle Scope

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Author: Trey-W
Subject: NEW SWFA SS 2.5-10x32 Ultralight Rifle Scope
Posted: November/18/2019 at 05:06

Originally posted by Chris Farris Chris Farris wrote:

  Ilya,

Mil-Quad version, coming soon.


Atlas,

What rings did you use?


  Greg,

We did not use the same glass that we use in the Classic SS line (different formula & different coatings).

Any chance of a x42 version of the mil-quad in this series? It would still be lighter than anything on the market 

Rifle Scopes : March Riflescopes

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Author: Marine24
Subject: March Riflescopes
Posted: November/18/2019 at 06:06

Looking forward to the info.  Seems availability is limited but hopefully SWFA starts getting these in stock.

I have the 3-24x42 but would like to move to the larger 52mm objective illuminated version with the FML T1 reticle.

Rifle Scopes : March Riflescopes

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Author: koshkin
Subject: March Riflescopes
Posted: November/18/2019 at 08:07

Originally posted by Marine24 Marine24 wrote:

Looking forward to the info.  Seems availability is limited but hopefully SWFA starts getting these in stock.

I have the 3-24x42 but would like to move to the larger 52mm objective illuminated version with the FML T1 reticle.

That's the version I have.  I like it.
The reticle takes a little getting used to, but it is quite functional.

ILya



Rifle Scopes : March Riflescopes

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Author: Kickboxer
Subject: March Riflescopes
Posted: November/18/2019 at 09:48

I have the 3-24x42 with FMA-1 reticle which I got before the x52 came out.  I tried to trade it in on the x52 with FML-1 reticle, but the only place to get March products at the time was through one importer who wanted to give me less than half value for the trade.  Did not seem worth it, so I still have the x42, back on Winchester Model 70 Laredo 7mmSTW and love it.  Perfect scope for that rifle.

Rifle Scopes : March Riflescopes

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Author: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: March Riflescopes
Posted: November/18/2019 at 09:55

On the 3-24, how is the eye box at 24X?

That is just about perfect mag range for my use, but damn is it hard to give up easy eye box.

Rifle Scopes : March Riflescopes

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Author: Kickboxer
Subject: March Riflescopes
Posted: November/18/2019 at 10:03

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

On the 3-24, how is the eye box at 24X?

That is just about perfect mag range for my use, but damn is it hard to give up easy eye box.

I set up the scope with exactly that in mind... no issues whatsoever from low to high power.  

Rifle Scopes : March Riflescopes

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Author: Marine24
Subject: March Riflescopes
Posted: November/18/2019 at 10:20

That is the one criticism I’ve heard about the x42 model but don’t find it any more difficult than the Gen 2 Razor or Eotech Vudu at 24X.  Definitely better than my T5Xi.

It is my ideal hunting scope.  Lightweight with a mag range that works for close/moving shots or long range.  It sits on my 280 Rem and like the combination.

Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: Swiftkill
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/19/2019 at 01:52

I don't know what the company (Sun Optics)  is doing about a warranty or supporting the scope, as of this reply.  But, I will find out. Also, the scope I have is $950 on close-out, not $300.  And, I'll tell you the truth, I have used Alpen Scopes and binoculars for years and those were $350-500 and I could not really see a noticeable difference between them and other $900- $1000 scopes.  I have some that are 10 years old and shot the crap out of the rifles and "0" scope malfunctions.  I have a pair of their Shasta Ridge binos that have been left in my car for work for easily more than 6 years, in blazing heat during the day (because I'm too lazy to take them out every day) and they are super crisp and clear.  Okay, they are not my Swaro EL's, but they are 1/24th the cost and I can see just fine with them.  Anyway, I Have ADD and could go on all day.  

Thanks

Rifle Scopes : Vixen Scopes?

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Author: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: Vixen Scopes?
Posted: November/19/2019 at 10:26

I have an Alpine spotter that is quite good for the money. It goes to places I wouldn't take my much more expensive spotter. I have no issue with value optics.

There are great examples of high value optics for modest prices, the SWFA scopes fit that description, as do a few Althons and the higher end Vortex lines are a great value too. The difference, and this is important, is that the companies put the scopes out and let users decide if it is value or not.

You are looking at a financial interest in the company, meaning you might be a slight bit biased.

Keep in mind, people wander in at regular intervals to do just this: tout an optics line/maker while comparing themselves to very well established companies. Over the years, many, many people have joined to tell us how their scope or soon-to-be scope represents such great value that in a few years everyone will be selling all their other stuff to buy boatloads of their wares.

And, after many years of the same song and dance, it has yet to come true.

Maybe Vixen is awesome; the way to establish that is to send a few to reputable users and get their feedback. I see no such effort. So far.

Rifle Scopes : Arken Optics USA EP4 4-16 FFP Zero Stop-Tracking R

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Author: ArkenOpticsUSA
Subject: Arken Optics USA EP4 4-16 FFP Zero Stop-Tracking R
Posted: November/19/2019 at 18:29

This is Michael Reilly, founder of ArkenOpticsUSA. We pride ourselves on bringing quality, affordable optics backed by precision guarantees. This thread is designed to consolidate turret tracking results for all to see...the good, the bad, and the ugly. Please keep results as fair and unbiased as possible. Thanks for giving us a shot.

Rifle Scopes : Arken Optics USA EP4 4-16 FFP Zero Stop-Tracking R

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Author: 406Reviews
Subject: Arken Optics USA EP4 4-16 FFP Zero Stop-Tracking R
Posted: November/19/2019 at 23:23

406Reviews: EP4 4-16X50 Compact EPR MIL

Wow! These guys are really on to something.  This EP4 from Arken Optics USA is a huge step up from the SH4. It took me awhile to bite on their first model, but after its performance I was chomping at the bit to get my hands on this tank.  

They have really earned my respect. What they have been able to do in such a short amount of time is impressive.  They are blurring some lines and ruffled a lot of feathers. I have a hard to beat combination with the EP4, and Acadian Armament Pantera suppressor is one of the best combinations for a long range precision rig. A combination that pulls together function, dependability, affordability, and style taking a quality shooter to the mile marker, without waking the neighbors. 

You will appreciate the elegance of the EP4 Compact when you see it, I have no doubt! This is the first of the EP line to come out and is said to be followed by their EP4 6-24X50. I’m sure that has garnered quite a bit of excitement, and for good reason...assuming this cousin holds up to the performance of its stocky little brother. 

I’ve only had this EP4 for a very short time, but I am a believer. 10 MILS per revolution, and total travel of 32 MILS as per their specs ( that almost 109 MOA). First Focal Plane, Zero Stop, and top tier glass clarity...I don’t care if a scope can drive a nail into a board, as long as it can drive tacs down range and can put up with the abuse along the way. Real shooters that avoid the noise within the industry will certainly appreciate what they find here. These guys seem to be on a roll putting the most functional features in a nice package that everyone can afford. Heck, this EP Compact just might make a good stocking stuffer for my brother in law, who knows. 

This scope is designed for the field. Despite this ruggedness, it is very aesthetically pleasing. As pretty as it is, I almost didn’t want to beat it up. Almost….

From the time I pulled this out of the box, I couldn’t resist taking the turrets for a spin. These puppies are extremely crisp...Precision! I have no idea how they do this in the $550+ dollar range. I’m selling the more expensive scopes and upgrading my entire collection. The overall fit and finish are on par with brands/models costing thousands of dollars.. The EP series also offers a step up in glass quality that is up there with the Japanese and Germans. They really seem to be going after the premium market without the price hit. 

The turrets and reticle were absolutely spot on. 0.0% tracking or scaling error. Almost rare it seems. Certainly not normal within this price range. Interested to see if I just got a good one, or if Arken has set the new standard. The AZS (Arken Zero Stop) makes it easy to return to ‘0’. Not having to remove the cap to set the AZS is a great feature. 

EPR Reticle


 

The EPR MIL reticle is a grid style reticle with a ranging tree at the top. This has more of a military style and purpose but very cool. To use this feature, you would place the feet of the target at the center point of the reticle and the top of the head would give you a range indication on the scale above the reticle. This reticle also allows ranging with shoulders inside the vertical lines on each side of the range indicators.

Side adjustment parallax is robust and smooth. Very refined with logo cnc’d on it. The went with an arrow indicator over yardage markings, which is personally preferred.  

Eye Relief

The 34 mm has very forgiving eye-relief making it somewhat challenging to find scope shadow. It’s there, then it’s not. This takes away the personal internal debate we tend to have when trying to get it right. 

Ratings 1 to 5:

Glass Quality - 5

I compared to top tier scopes at 34 mm and clarity and contrast is great. This is always difficult to quantify. Passes my test with flying colors. 

Reticle - 5

Very useful for those used to this style of reticle. Some may not like the crowded feeling but this style has become more mainstream, so I get it. They removed the horizontal lines near the center point to provide a better picture of the target. One suggestion would be to add a chevron, something other than the same size dot,  to attract the eye to the absolute center.  

Turrets  - 5

The Zero stop is a great feature to find at this price range. Easy to operate. This should welcome those unfamiliar with the concept. Really paramount to know the position of the elevation knob for obvious reasons.  Markings are easy to read and follow. Looks like they also made the revolution indicator more noticeable (so you know the amount of full revolutions the turret has traveled) . Nice detailed upgrade. Very solid mechanically. 

Tracking - 5

It tracked perfectly through my entire box test. 10 MILS: Up, Center, Down, Center; 5 MILS: Right, Center, Left, Finishing on Center.

Overall Rating - 5

Very impressed. Only time will tell. I will continue to be a customer if they can keep this up. FFP, Zero Stop, Great glass, 10 MILS/rev. Tracking Guarantee. Lifetime Warranty. Glad I gave them a shot. 



Rifle Scopes : Arken Optics USA EP4 4-16 FFP Zero Stop-Tracking R

Rifle Scopes : Nikon is Exiting the Rifle Scope Business

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Author: Hubby11
Subject: Nikon is Exiting the Rifle Scope Business
Posted: November/20/2019 at 07:15

Can anyone confirm?

Hope it is ok to post a link.


Rifle Scopes : Nikon is Exiting the Rifle Scope Business

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Author: RifleDude
Subject: Nikon is Exiting the Rifle Scope Business
Posted: November/20/2019 at 07:23

Yep, I heard that as well. They seemed to be signaling that direction a few years ago as they became increasingly less relevant and unwilling to try to compete. I like their cameras, but stopped being interested in any of their sports optics offerings long ago.
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