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Rifle Scopes : what power fixed SS?

May 14, 2014, 6:56 am
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Author: sig357fan
Subject: what power fixed SS?
Posted: May/14/2014 at 13:56

thanks for the input.


I wasthinking that the 20x would have too small a field of view and that the 10xmight not be enough for my 50 yrs. + eyes so I was between the 12x and the 16x.

Any reasonto not to go with the 16x?

I've alsobeen researching mirage and it seems like it’s something I’m going to have tolearn to read regardless of magnification.

thanks again.

sig357fan


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Rifle Scopes : what power fixed SS?

May 14, 2014, 7:02 am
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Author: sig357fan
Subject: what power fixed SS?
Posted: May/14/2014 at 14:02

also,

I waslooking at the side focus vs rear focus of the 10x, is there any differenceother than the location of the scope?

I’m a southpaw so I would think that if might be an advantage for me with the focus knobon the left side of the scope.

Thanks again,

Sig357fan


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Rifle Scopes : Leatherwood A.T.R. Varmint Country

May 14, 2014, 10:00 am
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Author: JoeDownUnder
Subject: Leatherwood A.T.R. Varmint Country
Posted: May/14/2014 at 17:00

Skylar...thanks for the reply..will take a pic and post it so that you can see what I'm talking about..
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Rifle Scopes : Vortex Razor Gen II 4.5 X 27 vs Beast

May 15, 2014, 4:00 am
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Author: wyolonghunter
Subject: Vortex Razor Gen II 4.5 X 27 vs Beast
Posted: May/15/2014 at 11:00

Hi,  I am a first time poster to this site and am looking for advice based on experience.  I have read and re-read everything out there about these two scopes.  I am looking for help in deciding between the Beast and The Vortex Gen II.  I am waiting for a new build- 300 Norma mag, Manner T4A stock, Benchmark Barrel, Jewell trigger. Defiance action.  I read Ilya's excellent review on the Razor Gen II and Lowlight's cursory overview of the Beast and videos.  I am a novice long range shooter/hunter.  I have the equipment and knowledge to shoot ELR but not much experience.  I have a great mentor, so I feel confident in the future.  My mentor is sold out on Vortex.  My experience thus far has been with Nightforce NXS 5.5 X 22.  I would love to see Ilya review the beast!  what I am wondering is, if it is a coin toss or would there be an advantage to one over the other?


Thanks in advance for your input!Howdy 

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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 12:02 am
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Author: Kickboxer
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 07:02

Glass quality is always a "toss up" question.  Some people will not see the differences, some imagine differences, and some differences are infinitesimally observable.  The Z6i glass/coatings are the "best available", according to Swarovski.  There is a difference from Z5 line.  However, if I were you, I would try very hard to evaluate them side by side before making the leap to Z6i.  Z5 quality is VERY good. 
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 2:21 am
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Author: Skylar McMahon
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 09:21

Mark what Kickboxer stated is very very accurate.
 
When evaluating things side by side depending on what you are looking through and the type of light supplied, appearances can be deceptive.  Last year, I had a guy I was speaking with at a show and he told me that to his eye the Nikon Monarch was the most appealing scope on the market.  It had been the sharpest thing he had ever used.
 
He told me when he was looking through it at the store, it was the brightest thing there.
 
I then proceeded to explain to him, that he was not using natural light and while artificial light is not optimum to evaluate optics.
 
I have used Swarovski products on several occasions, and I have to say they are certainly the best thing that I have ever had the opportunity to use.
 
 
When looking through them and comparing the difference to others. The main thing that I noticed was peripheral field of view is sharper with Swarovski.  From edge to edge, there is nothing I have used that not only provides a sharp crisp target image, but also affects the entire field of view.
 
But then it my just be my eyes.
 
 
 
 
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 2:40 am
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Author: manderson
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 09:40

Thanks.  Good advice appreciated.  Would love to compare side by side, but unfortunately no one carries Swarovski in stock around here (Baltimore area), and I've never seen any at my range.  Will have to give it more thought.
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 3:09 am
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 3:58 am
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Author: Son of Ed
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 10:58

The first time I ever fell off my chair when comparing scopes years ago was when the man in the store handed me a Swarovski.  I was looking out an immense picture window at the World outside.  

After he showed me every brand imaginable, I said " Let me see that Swarovski"....I couldn't believe the difference.  


I still can't afford one.  I'm sure the Zeiss, and the Schmidt and Benders, and Leicas would be that way, too.  


That original Swarovski was $800 back then....now they are Two Thousand bucks!  


Shocked
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 5:47 am
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Author: Marine24
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 12:47

I've been going through a similar analysis between their Z3, Z5 and Z6 line.

While comparing them side by side inside a store, I was hard pressed to tell the difference between any of those lines.  At least enough to justify the price steps between them.

Differences are more about features such as erectors, side focus, illumination...etc with some different coating on the Z6.

Here is a related thread:


I ended up with one of their Z3 3-9X and recently purchased a 3-10X that was on the Sample List.
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 7:51 am
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Author: RifleDude
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 14:51

All Swarovski rifle scopes use the same glass and coatings except for the 2.5-15X and higher magnification scopes in the Z6 line that have "HD" glass elements added to the optical system.

However, keep in mind that just because two scopes being compared have the same glass type(s) and coatings formulation doesn't mean they will have the same level of optical quality. This is a common misconception. Optical performance is also influenced by the overall optical design, including the number of lens elements, arrangement of those lens elements, lens geometry, focal lengths, positioning of the varying glass types used, alignment precision, lens grinding and polish quality, internal baffling, and on and on. In fact, those things have a larger impact on optical performance than the raw glass used.

Although all Swarovski scopes are high end, the Z6 line has a touch better resolution than Z3 and Z5, in addition to broader zoom range, greater FOV, and wider center field "sweet spot."

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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 8:29 am
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Author: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 15:29

A 270 for long range target work? Or do you just want a long range target scope?
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 9:10 am
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Author: manderson
Subject: Swarovski Glass
Posted: May/16/2014 at 16:10

Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

A 270 for long range target work? Or do you just want a long range target scope?
 
Yes, I want to use the 270 for long range target shooting.  I know there is some debate about whether or not it is a good cartridge for this, but I think the 270 has gotten a bad rap in this area.  I think it will be great for 500-600 yards.  And from what I have read, the biggest problem is match grade ammunition availability.  I have a bunch of the Hornady 130 gr SST Superformance.  And I have quite a few friends who reload, so all I would need are the dies.  Either way, investing in a good scope is still a good idea since it can always be put on another rifle.
 
I spoke with Swarovski and they were very helpful.  Their rep explained the supposed improvement with the HD glass, i.e. better color, sharper image and better resolution.  However, he said that in truth, I would be hard pressed to notice the difference between Z5 and Z6.  He recommended the Z5 3.5-18x44 BRH.  The Z5 line does not have an illuminated reticle, and frankly I don't know that I need it.  He said I should consider the Z6 only if I was very serious about shooting out to 1000 yards.
 
Since I am relatively new at this, I think the best bet is the Z5 and stick to 300-500 yards.  If it gets serious, then it will be time to invest in new equipment.
 
RifleDude - The Swarovski rep touched on many of the same issues you mentioned that affect optical quality.  I was very impressed with the honesty and level of knowledge.  We went over the whole BDC reticle/turret thing.  It does seem to be the way scopes are going these days.  Still not sure if it's right for me, but that's another issue.
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 9:20 am
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Rifle Scopes : 1" tube FFP Scope

May 16, 2014, 9:43 am
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Author: Kestryll
Subject: 1" tube FFP Scope
Posted: May/16/2014 at 16:43

I'm trying to find a decent scope with a 1" tube, FFP mildot reticle and side focus.

The problem I am having is everything i find that almost meets the criteria has a 30mm tube.
Anyone know of a 1" that is made by a decent-good manufacturer?
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Rifle Scopes : ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?

May 16, 2014, 9:59 am
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Author: Gappa
Subject: ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?
Posted: May/16/2014 at 16:59

well?
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Rifle Scopes : Swarovski Glass

May 16, 2014, 11:10 am
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Rifle Scopes : ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?

May 16, 2014, 11:55 am
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Author: Son of Ed
Subject: ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?
Posted: May/16/2014 at 18:55

No.  It had to be moved now and then....an inch...
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Rifle Scopes : ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?

May 16, 2014, 12:52 pm
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Author: Gappa
Subject: ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?
Posted: May/16/2014 at 19:52

No I'm talkin about 8-10"MOA, like a loose erector
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Rifle Scopes : ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?

May 16, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Author: Son of Ed
Subject: ANyone ever had a Leupold that wouldn't hold zero?
Posted: May/16/2014 at 20:22

Your mounts are on tight?   
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